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Intended to point out new things on this site or things of interest I’ve just found on the internet

Just to point out – to those who might not know – that the News and  Social Contestation 2020  are constantly updated, so  technically “new”

To avoid technical problems, this page  has been split, so that everything before 2016 is now here: what’s new? 2013 – 2015



Added: Health Passport – what surveillance to fear?


Added: Down with routine ritualised demos! Leaflet distributed on 21st August in Montpellier, France.


Added: Greece: against mandatory vaccination & its crusaders

by TPTG and others, translated by TPTG


Added: we carry a new world in our riots -looting & unrest,  July 2021, South Africa


Interesting critique of woke ideology from  Lesley Young on Matt Taibbi’s site

T writes;
I think these paragraphs sum up very well a very crucial aspect of all

“There’s this change in nomenclature that I noticed when I wrote an
essay back in 2018, in Tablet [https://www.tabletmag.com/amp/sections/news/articles/is-it-ok-to-be-white], where people talk about racism and sexism, and then they began to talk about whiteness and masculinity. So there’s a line in an n+1 essay, where the person is saying, “Oh, we are now menaced by whiteness and masculinity.”  Whereas in the past, we would have said, “Oh, we’re menaced by racism and sexism.” There’s an inherent tension where, in order to get, say, the medical establishment to recognize their claims, gender identity has to be inherent and fixed. This was a problem if you were in college in 1995, that you would talk about. Queer theory was constantly both radicalizing identity but also fixing it as form of inherency. So there’s this essentializing, and then there’s a de-essentializing tendency. All of these things to varying degrees were inescapable if you were a humanities student back then. Well, what happened? Schools produced graduates, and those graduates went into social work, and eventually they went into journalism, they went into law, they went into all sorts of professions. They have a class, the class that has an interest as a class in an entrepreneurial project in making themselves necessary and producing a demand for their services. That class really attained much of what they were seeking with the Obama presidency and the Obergefell decision legalizing gay marriage. The question became: Is it time now to declare victory, or are there more great moral emergencies that are in our midst, that it’s actually our job to fix? We institutionalized a class of people whose job is to identify great moral emergencies that other people don’t recognize, and then expand their moral horizons to begin to see these things as things that have to be eradicated. So you have a people whose raisons d’être depend upon there being a demand for their resources. It’s a bureaucratic professional endeavor.”


Recommended: What we are actually up against

“Trans activism is in some part, about transcending what are perceived as the constraints of the human body in relation to expressing gender identity. This is a reversal of the view that I and many people who would see themselves as gender critical have, which is that it’s the artificial constraints of gender roles and identity that need to be challenged, not those of the human body.
Rather than seeking a resolution to understandable deep unhappiness about the constraints and expectations of gender roles, all too often, the solution is to change how you present yourself to the world to fit with your perception of what you think your authentic self really is. In and of itself, mere presentation shouldn’t really be a problem. However, when it goes beyond how someone presents themselves to the world and into the territory of surgery and pharmaceutical interventions, then for a lot of us worried about the drift towards transhumanism, it does become a problem.
Surgery and what can be a lifelong reliance on pharmaceutical interventions add up to vast profits for what can best be described as the medical industrial complex. …”


Added: mandatory vaccination & the 1947 Nuremberg “medical ethics” Code


Added: Ivermectin: Can a Drug Be “Right-Wing”?



Added: the contradictions of herd immunity through vaccination


Added: the politics of large numbers

Translation of anarchist article about the reduction of individuals to statistics and numbers during this Covid epoch.


Added: India: Covid and Ivermectin, continued


Added: a critical text on PCR tests


Added: conspirouettes

On the false opposition between conspiracy theories and anti-conspiracy theories.


Added: France’s Council of Order of doctors: political police?

by Dr. Gérard Maudrux (translated from here)

This is certainly not a radical critique but I publish this as yet another example of growing totalitarianism, this time within the medical world.


Added: Colombia – present day to 2019   A chronology of events and critiques


Added: graffiti as subject and as representation


Added: Bakunin on science


Added: ivermectin

A text by a doctor on the advantages of the extremely cheap drug ivermectin over vaccination.


Added: statues quo

on the subversion of statues & sculptures and of what & who they represent…

“The UK state is planning to make someone attacking a statue liable to receive up to a 10-year prison sentence. On March 21st there was a significant riot against this proposed law in Bristol. Various articles say that this law could lead to harsher penalties for damaging a statue than for attacking a woman”. As is typical for liberals, these articles do not at all defend attacking statues. But this long article DOES defend such actions. Moreover our goody goody liberals fail to point out that the law invariably protects property (state or private) far more than it does human beings, as is inherent in capitalist logic of the treatment of human beings either as equal to or as lesser objects than property. We don’t need to look exclusively at rape victims for this – even worse is the fact that hundreds of building workers die due to unsafe conditions each year in countries throughout the world. And the worst that ever happens is that some building company gets a heavy fine. As Jonathan Swift said Laws are like cobwebs, which may catch small flies, but let wasps and hornets break through.”

One of the major reasons for this law is the desire of the ruling class to maintain a monopoly of memory, of history. “He who controls the past controls the future. He who controls the present controls the past.” – George Orwell, 1984


Withdrawn:“ethics in medical science (october 2019)”. This has been withdrawn because the author of the French original of which this is a translation  has said he doesn’t want it published without 2 other chapters from his pamphlet.  Fair enough – it’s his text, even if it was me that translated it. However, he also sent me a great deal of other hypocritical rubbish, full of ad hominem comments,  that he threatened to make public. If he does so I’ll respond to his distortions in time.


Added: Better to be sorry than safe – on the current vaccination programme


“Covid1984 latest” changed to simply “Covid1984” and reorganised into separate months


Added: a translation of André Breton’s brief  text  from 1958 – “Démasquez les physiciens, Videz les laboratoires!” – “Unmask the physicists – empty the laboratories!”


Added:  a translation of the chapter entitled “Du role de la bioéthique en recherche médicale”, pages 30-35 of “Des Souris et de Gènes” (Of Mice and Genes) by André Dréan – “Ethics in Medical Science”


Added: The future belongs to those who rise up early English translation of “L’avenir appartient à ceux qui se soulèvent tôt”, about the new totalitarian laws in France (prevention of filming or taking photos of cops, etc.)


Ajouté: L’avenir appartient à ceux qui se soulèvent tôt

Un tract sur la loi sécurité globale diffusé à Montpellier


Re-organised format of listed articles – now in the form of English articles chronologically


Recommended: At the Wendy’s

An analysis of the events that took place between June 12th to July 14th at the occupation of a Wendy’s in Atlanta, the site of Rayshard Brooks’ murder by the Atlanta Police Department. Over the course of this month, a strange in-between world formed around the burned intestines of a fast food restaurant. In it, we saw one of the most militant examples of Black struggle in the country. The exemplary character of the struggle at the Wendy’s allowed the authors to experience some of the most powerful interventions—and some of the most dangerous limitations—that American rebellion confronts today.”


An article about the Oxford vaccine, put up on 23/11/20,  was taken off because it needs more research. Various ideological attacks on it had partial validity but were expressed in ridiculously arrogant one-sided terms.


Added: Porn Shop – a critique of pornography

Added to the footnote about guns in Martyrdominoes GUNS & their contradictions. Now includes sections of the script of the film about Ferguson “Touch the Sky”.


Added: MartyrdominoesThoughts on Michael Reinoehl, John Brown, civil war and martyrdom in general

Blacks in the American Civil War A copy of W. E. DuBois’ “The General Strike” about the massive influence of blacks on the Union Army in the American Civil War

Although he calls it a General Strike it wasn’t exactly that. But it’s information that’s not widely known. The introduction is by Eric Foner, a marxist academic specialising in the Civil War and Reconstruction.

Some reflections on the situation in Rojava – a development of a critique, partly by a former supporter of the “Rojava experiment”


Recommended: Portland: Colonizer Statues Toppled for Indigenous Day of Rage


Critical review of protests in Belarus in last 2 month

and this:

Armenia-Azerbaijan: Whose war is this?

Far better than your average leftist – a pretty excellent take on the situation insofar as I understand such things from a long way away.


Added: Portugal 1974-5. A podcast.


Added: Colombia


In French:

Ajouté: film du soulèvement de Ferguson de 2014

Foutre le feu aux flics à Ferguson (Google Translate)


Added: script of Ferguson uprising film “Touch the Sky”


Added to “The Kurdish Proto-State” – this critical comment about David Graeber who died recently

Re-organised: “Struggle Histories” is now “Struggle histories A – Z” and pages are now  placed in alphabetical order of the country concerned. The category “A-Z” on the menu has now been suppressed.


Not new but only just seen: “The Battle of Rydesgarde”

“The Battle of Ryesgade was a nine-day series of street fights in mid-September 1986, in the Copenhagen street Ryesgade. It was the most violent event in a long-standing conflict between the Copenhagen city council and the city’s community of squatters. Faced with an ultimatum to leave their illegally occupied housing or face eviction, the squatters instead fortified the streets around their building so strongly that it became a cop-free zone. They took advantage of this lack of control by burning down a building belonging to the Sperry Corporation. For nine days, massed police unsuccessfully attempted to evict the squatters. The civil disorder was of a magnitude never before seen in Denmark. After communicating a manifesto through the media, the defenders finally abandoned the squat and dispersed without being apprehended.”


Protests in Israel 2020

“…the political nature and organization of these protests is almost exclusively center-left and Zionist in their political nature and organization, aiming to replace one member of the Ashkenazi ruling class for another…”


6th anniversary of FERGUSON uprising: a film


why should we belong to the people?


Czaravirus…situation in Russia – What is happening in Russia? by R.Shinov Includes new information about worker protests & strike in Yakutia from today, May 2nd, 2020.


Added: …THE ‘C’ WORD… This is and will be composed of different pages concentrating on specific aspects of the Coronacrisis. So far just 4 pages, all of which have already appeared on the site in various forms:

Contestavirus  A constantly updated chronology of contestation against confinement and other complexities of the current crazy crisis

Coronavirus in France  Amongst a lot of different material, it includes a section  ““Health” is the War of the State”, which is largely about the contradictions surrounding the anti-malaria drug Chloraquine.

Cameravirus On facial recognition cameras, including their developing use in the state’s arsenal of weapons  given the pretext of combating the Coronavirus

Coronavirus – an exercise in intensified social control  Originally published on January 28th. At the start there’s a chronology of relevant material, followed by the original text, which centres on China. It’s a bit of a mess, as it follows some of the confusions that we’ve been inundated with.


2 new pages on my site:

Contestavirus – a constantly updated chronology of global expressions of contestation against the new conditions of misery

Coronavirus in France

“The aim of terror, and of its implementation, is to extort from human beings a total adaptation to its very principle, so that they recognize at the very end only one goal: self-preservation. The more, and unscrupulously, humans have in mind their survival, the more they become psychological puppets of a system whose sole objective is to stay in power.”
– Leo Löwenthal, 1945


Added: further additions to the 14th Russian – Turkish War


Added: 14th Russian – Turkish War?


Added: science A new category transferring the following science-related articles most of which were formerly in the “daily life” section: Coronavirus – an exercise in intensified social control , the double-helixir of life,  frankenstein’s monster, on the misery of scientists’ life, the thought of a thoughtless world , excerpts of sections of  “you make plans – we make history” related to a critique of aspects of science, and science: the myths of DNA…


Added: a comment on the fact that Xi Jingping gave instructions on fighting the virus as early as January 7th, 2 weeks before controls were put into place


Added: a comment on aspects of the history of the current UK Mini-star of the Environment and his connection to The Ecologist and some other aspects of ecological critique.


Further updated – Coronavirus – an exercise in intensified social control – to include a more nuanced development of the “conspiracy” angle on events.


Updated – Coronavirus – an exercise in intensified social control

– with statistics about ordinary flu,  more information about China’s use of the epidemic to reinforce already existing tendencies to totalitarian surveillance and the uselesssness of facemasks.


New post added: Coronavirus – an exercise in intensified social control


Added: The Fall of the Berlin Wall…Auschwitz…and related stuff


A critique of Picasso?


New post added: Iran


New post added: German army trains China’s PLA


The post “Social revolt in Iraq and Lebanon” has now been split into 2 – Social revolt in Iraq  and Lebanon


Added: Latest struggles! – a list of pages and posts on this site about the more important  of recent struggles globally.


Added: Catalonia October 2019


Added recently: 2 Posts –

Social revolt in Iraq and Lebanon

fare dodging was never like this! (October 2019) – about the current revolt in Chile



Added: Hong Kong state planning a massacre to be blamed on protesters?


Added: Hong Kong cop violence – made in the UK

Ecuador, October 2019

Extinction Rebellion


Recommended: Three months of insurrection  An Anarchist Collective in Hong Kong Appraises the Achievements and Limits of the Revolt 


Added: the Russian economy & political tension (part 1)

Please note: From today “News of Opposition” will simply be called “News”. This is because it will include links to news items that are not specifically related to forms of opposition, though information about social contestation will continue as before, mixed up with other items. For the most part, items not related to forms of opposition will not be backdated (ie not put up on the pages of previous months).  Also, the work-in-progress A-Z is now not just an index of countries but also of subjects. However, for the moment it remains pretty much a mess; hopefully, bit by bit, it’ll become better organised. And what previously appeared under “English articles 1969 – 2019” now appear in the main menu, under “struggle histories” (previously named “Class struggle histories” but re-named simply for reasons of space), “culture”,  “daily life”, “war/politics” and “uncategorised”. “Steps” has been binned.


The page ‘prisons’ has now moved here, and will always be at the top of the list


Introduction to ‘Hong Kong latest!’ has now moved to here, been renamed ‘Hong Kong – some reflections’ and been slightly altered


Added: Hong Kong latest! – this is a chronology, starting with the present and working backwards to several years ago. Most of it is taken from the comments boxes below this, but it allows for photos and also makes accounts of the most recent events and reflections on events more accessible than those which appeared in the comments boxes.


Recommended – coming soon! – Touch the Sky: Stories, Subversions, & Complexities of Ferguson (2019) – Trailer About the Ferguson uprising 2014. See also: ferguson fighting fear with fire: a compilation (2014 – 15)


New site about prison revolts in US and Canada: “Perilous –  A chronicle of prisoner unrest across the US and Canada, 2010-present


Added: A – Z (countries) From now on all countries (e.g. France or South Africa)  that have appeared on the main menu are listed alphabetically here. It’s a bit of a mess at the moment, but you can’t make an omelette without breaking eggs (“So many broken eggs – but where’s the omelette?” I hear you cry). “This is very much a work in progress, not at all remotely complete, and though it will never ever be so, for  the moment it means that  aspects of this site, and this page, are a great deal more chaotic than I trust they’ll be as I develop this.  It’ll bit by bit become a mix of links to subversive activities in different countries – a kind of encyclopaedia-cum-index. Most of the links will be to articles or sections of articles already here on this site. Some of the links lead to specific references which themselves are not complete (for example, a reference to Afghanistan may lead to an uncompleted list of events there mentioned on this site).”


Added: Brussels, 26/5/19 – anti-election demo Disturbing the Neurotic Balance: Brussels, May 26, 2019, a first-hand account by Q of the anti-election demo by yellow vests, black blockers and others

The page, written in February 2019, on the yellow vests has been moved: http://dialectical-delinquents.com/class-struggle-histories-2/a-leaflet-for-a-yellow-vest-demo/


Added: ‘Hong Kong – its relevance to the rest of us…its resistance to the science & technology of social control’ “The almost universally-held discourse that the movement in Hong Kong concerns only the people of Hong Kong, China and the Chinese diaspora conveniently ignores the essential: its more general implications for the rest of the masses of individuals throughout the world. Whilst factors specific to Hong Kong are the inevitable catalyst for this movement, implicitly central to it is a resistance to modern forms of science & technology in the service of intensified totalitarian social control – certainly not something that only concerns the Chinese.”

On the current movement in Hong Kong…Do Chinese Bureaucrats Dream Of Electric Sheep? – China as world leader in the development of technological social control…Orwells That Ends Well: From China to the rest of the world…Holidays in your own misery: Totalitarian leisure…Will we rage against the machine…or does everyone love Big Brother ?…Chronology of some of the events in Hong Kong……plus more – new developments in surveillance camera technology …reflections on Facebook …Google in China…etc.etc.


Although coming from a leftist/Marxist tradition, “Between the Devil and the Green New Deal” is a pretty good attack on the Green New Deal and those  complicit with it, and is full of useful facts and exposés of contradictions (including a critique of ‘transitional demands’), even if it pulls its punches – because it’s still aiming at a leftist/Marxist readership.


Recommended: I work in the environmental movement. I don’t care if you recycle


Added: Communisation and the Great Leap Backwardsan antidote to the 70th anniversary of state capitalism in China


Added: work and life in the USSR



Brazil: How things have (and haven’t) changed Very interesting nuanced text, but unfortunately at times not particularly well translated and also not very well formatted.


Ajouté: les expulsions de roms 2010

Menu de ‘Textes Francais’ mis en ordre chronologique


Recommended:  article detailing the capitalist nature of the leadership of the UK’s Extinction Rebellion


Recommended: Ash Monday (on the Notre Dame-de-Paris fire)…Notre Flame-de-Paris


All the texts on this site on South Africa, previously listed under ‘Class struggle histories’,  are now listed in the drop-down menu of ‘South Africa’. Those which are not on this site are listed under the just now mentioned ‘South Africa’, but obviously not in the drop-down menu.


Recommended: Against anarcho-liberalism and the curse of identity politics


Added to “they stole our bodies: work in Israel” – some detailed comments by an Israeli guy who left Israel some time ago – critiques and elaborations –  in the comments box.


Recommended: A Desperate Venezuela Today Though it has elements of self-management ideology, and an affirmative use of the dubious term “People’s Power”, this seems to be a pretty good contribution to understanding the situation there.


Added: they stole our bodies: work in Israel


Added: a leaflet for a yellow vest demo

Ajouté: Un tracte sur les gilets jaunes 

Ajouté le 8-5-19: Les soi-disants “libertaires” de IACAM (Infos Anti-autoritaires en Cévennes à l’Assaut des Montagnes), une organisation qui envoie des liens de textes sur une liste mail, a refusé (sans le dire) de distribuer un lien vers ce texte sans donner aucune raison. La censure totale!  Vive l’authorité  “anti-authoritaire”!


Recommended: Working at French airports: how  racism works


NOT recommended: this We would like to thank ….Trevor Adams of the Metropolitan Police Service for assistance with access to crime data,…We are also grateful to the following people who have supported us by sitting on our Advisory Group…Chief Supt Owen West.” Poor guy – he only did this to up his university publishing status (or maybe, his name was used without his approval).


Recommended: The Paradoxes of working class of Russia and USSR   It is one of the main paradoxes of the Leninist countries: their population is more individualistic than the population of the West. … state collectivism, which declared the whole society a “single family” … led to the most extreme, destructive forms of individualism and to the total cynicism and to disbelief in the triumph of any utopian idea. Finally, drunkenness became an important aspect of life in the Bolshevik Russia. Perhaps it was a reaction to a hopeless existence, a product of “learned helplessness” … It is also possible that this was a reaction to the collapse of utopia. Drunkenness reached monstrous proportions in the proletarian districts. For example, my childhood was spent in a working-class area, where almost the entire male population at the weekend was drunk.”


Added: comment on the sad level of struggle in South Africa


Added: a page detailing developments in China and a discussion about the Jasic workers struggle The latter  covers events from the summer to November. It was going to be put up in November, but was delayed.


Due to technical problems the ‘France’ page is now here, though it only has events from this year; 2017 is now here.


This – Diagnostic of the Future – a forecast – seems like a significant, well-researched, fairly long text, well-worth reading and reflecting about.


Added: non-remembrance day: lest we remember A minimal, and not at all developed, contribution to attacking 100 years of amnesia


Interesting anthology of English translation of texts written between 1948 & 1965 by “Socialisme ou Barbarie”  Includes, amongst other things, texts from this period about Russia, East Germany, US car workers’ wildcat strikes, UK dockers’ strikes, the ’56 Hungarian insurrection, Algeria, China,  and the US Free Speech and Civil Rights movements. And this links to a page of various links to the contents of each issue of Socialisme ou Barbarie, including links to those parts which have been translated into English. Obviously I can’t endorse every aspect of their theory, and less so some of their practice after 1967, when they ceased existing as an organisation. For example, shortly  before May ’68 Castoriadis advocated that workers joined the CFDT union, despite the fact that 88% of workers weren’t in unions and despite S ou B’s persistent, and largely correct, critique of the recuperative function of trade unions. Still, though largely limited to critiques at an ‘objective’ level, including mostly ignoring a critique of culture and other significant blindspots, they were certainly one of the most interesting post-WWll, pre-’68, radical groups – though not as insightful/inciteful (for that epoch) as the Situationists, since, in particular, their critiques avoided questioning academia.


Recommended: prison writings of John Bowden


Added: a comment about an aspect of the CP’s repulsive role in the French “Resistance” (scroll down to the comments boxes at the bottom)


Recommended: 2 liberal-Leftist articles on Trump’s nomination for the Supreme Court:


A contact writes:

Amy Chua, the author of the Battlehymn of the Tiger Mother a paean to the virtues of raising hyper-competetive children in a highly pressurized “success-oriented” environment, is one of a couple who are close to Kavanaugh and share in his forms of cultural value creation. The article does an excellent job of showing the surreptitious vileness and overt sliminess of the legal arm of the political class.


A sketch – in some cases illuminating –  of the plutocratic elite in the USA. However, it’s worth questioning, after reading this from the pro-Democrat Huffington Post,  how it eluded the writer that ever since the drafting of the Articles of Confederation, the “American aristocracy” has been a bi-partisan project, whichever subsequent era we refer to.


Recommended: various South American graffiti with English translations – here & here


Added: Iraq today – a chronology of events from the present to July 2018


Added: some comments on recent PKK/YPD strategy in Syria/Rojava (comments by V – 19/-8/18 – 20/8/18)

Recommended: interesting report on recent anthropological findings suggesting that  pastoral societies were non-hierarchical


Recommended: “Brazil: popular revolt and its limits”

Added: a comment about Oliver North (famous for his funding of, amongst other murderous gangs, the Contras who opposed the Sandinistas) and his funding by East Germany’s red fascists in the Stasi.

Ajouté: sur le subjectivisme & l’intellectualisme

From 12/7/18 until 20/7/18:

various comments about the critique of Deleuze & Guattari – “Deleuzium Tremens”


Added: a comment about Bomber Harris, and aspects of Allied bombing of Germany in WWll (beneath the text “on German guilt”)


Added: deleuzium tremens… A translation of a text mainly about Deleuze , but also about  Guattari, and their crappy influence, particularly in France, but also in Italy in the 1970s.


Re-organised: nicaragua & the sandinistas: latest events


Added: a comment by the author of “On the Kurdish proto-state…”


Added: Everything you didn’t want to know about Aufhebengate but weren’t afraid to ask  – a list of links to stuff about Aufhebengate all in one place.


Added: On the Kurdish proto-state, a state like all the others (2016)


Ajouté : grève sauvage de cheminots, 1986 – 87


Added: a nicely written communiqué – from some people who set fire to parts of a quarry in France belonging to a multinational concrete company.


Recommended: “Planet Porno” A situ-style critique of the misery of porn written by someone who used to work in a porn shop, where they pawn eroticism for its mere image.

sex for sale

1970s’ sticker


Ajouté: “paris : 1er mai 2018 L’impasse en action” par Andre Drean


Added: MAYDAY 2006, montpellier… A personal account.


Added: yet another boring leaflet? A leaflet on the current movement in France, distributed mainly in Montpellier.

For those who read Portuguese here’s a link to a new edition of a translation of  Phil Mailer’s “Portugal: The Impossible Revolution?” about the revolts of 1974-5. Available here.


Added to nicaragua & the sandinistas: some extra bits about  the Tree of Life statues put up on the orders of the Presidents’ wife and their destruction during the uprising, plus a transcript of what’s been going on and some comments in the comments box


Added: nicaragua & the sandinistas Mainly an old text, not yet on the internet, taken from “No Middle Ground” in the mid-1980s. I’ve added an introduction and some news reports about recent events but it has no pretension to being some complex analysis.


Added: some comments on Israeli politics and life

Ajouté: 2 tracts sur le mouvement actuel en France (avril 2018)


Ajouté: la CGT – des chiens de berger déguisés en loups


Added: genreation gap …on musical genres, in particular punk


Added: blinded by stars A very general critique of the social function of celebrity, accompanied by old critiques of specific individuals (John Lennon, David Attenborough & Nelson Mandela),  which I aim to develop more concretely in relation to current events sometime, which I’ve put up now because I quite liked this bit of “vandalism” in Hollywood reported here.


Added: an old (2012) text – academia, sociology & the muddle class

Ajouté: Fukushima Paradise 


Ajouté: critique des conceptions organisationnelles situationnistes


Added: death-CND 50th anniversary coming up of “the death of CND as performed by the Grosvenor Square demonstrators under the direction of themselves alone” (a Solidarity pamphlet)


Ajouté: La vie en double-hélice (ou ici)


Added: The double-helixir of life, my translation of La vie en double-hélice A critique focused on the whole notion of predictive medicine –  a critique of the accelerating growth of scientific ideology that claims to be able to predict potential “devastating and incurable genetic diseases” and its social function. “Saying what we are has never been an easy task, but the so-called sciences of life have now been able to specialize their language and methods to the point where one has to be a graduate to be officially entitled to try saying what we are. The different aspects of our bodies, our minds and the bridges we build between them, are increasingly concentrated in the hands of laboratory technicians – the only graduates to master them, or to claim they can…Today, everyone is supposed to know that love, intelligence, attention, aggressiveness and a good many other of the innermost depths of human beings are just entities that correspond to this or that part of the brain, this or that flow of molecules, this or that gene. And the scientists themselves know that the “corresponding connections” in question correspond in fact only to the need to organize the stew of vocabulary of the computer technicians, biologists and behaviorists who write the lexicon of the sciences of life…the drive, so assiduously studied and exploited by journalists, to simplify what is fundamentally complex, is shared by almost all people. Among the few things that today’s proles still share is the feeling that the earth is no longer under our feet. Even the largest of illusions last no more than one season. The slightest idea that we manage to create no longer holds true as soon as it is drenched in the cold light of day. As uncertainty grows, the comfort of easy certainties becomes a valuable commodity. The most accessible are the answers of those who busy themselves with asking questions. We ask questions that we have been taught to ask and we get the answers we deserve. Scientific communication is good for this purpose and one feels almost consoled to know that if one is clumsy, it is because we lack a little dopamine to oil the synapses where the brain deals with such sensorimotor functions. It’s always good to know that someone is taking care of us…”

Tunisia, 2018 – 2013, Iran… and Iraqi Kurdistan are now listed under class struggle histories.


Visitors & visits (the latter seems unreliable: visits here contradict a considerably lower figure for each day given in the form of a chart) in the 3 years since I’ve had a proper hit counter (ie since mid-January 2015; the site began at the end of 2012):

Visitor Visit
Today: 223 2,318
Yesterday: 295 4,338
Last 7 Days (Week): 3,049 76,860
Last 30 Days (Month): 13,127 327,292
Last 365 Days (Year): 167,644 4,715,578
Total: 518,704 11,525,013

Added: the most incisive critique of everything ever (2013) – something I cobbled together on a wet lonely Sunday.

Added: minutes of a Chinese Communist Party meeting in which the true figures for the numbers who died during The Great Leap Forward and the reason for the lies about them are revealed


Added to the page on the revolt in Iraqi Kurdistan – information sent by a Kurdish contact by email.


Owing to technical problems, the chronology on the “prisons” page has had to be divided into 2 pages; December 2015 to March 2013, is now here. Some people may find themselves here, the original page which has had to be discarded because, for technical reasons, it can’t be updated.




Added: Johnny Hallyday… This is an excerpt from chapter 6 of Larry Portis book French Frenzies. The full version of this chapter is here.


Another disaster looming? – US military agency invests $100m in genetic extinction technologies

In the comments box below “Suicide or Revolution”, I put this about suicides in China (probably need to scroll down to the bottom to see this).


Number of visitors to this site since January 15th 2015 has now surpassed half a million. For what it’s worth. Visits (to different pages) are over 11 million – but that has no worth whatsoever. Though this site has been running since the very end of December 2012, I didn’t get a visit/visitor counter that worked properly until mid-January 2015.


Added: “Only 28 Shoplifting Days Till…” A celebration of all that’s best at this time of year.


“Frayed threads of friendship”, taken from “cop-out…” published as separate text


Added: comment by me on “…the return of aaaaghebengate & the libconartists” Scroll down to the last comment if this link somehow doesn’t link directly to it.


More comments on “homage to catatonia” from here onwards (November 5th to 15th)

31/10/17 – 1/11/17:

More comments on “homage to catatonia” from here onwards.


Added to “homage to catatonia”, another load of insults from S.Artesian


Added: a summary of events and attitudes in Catalonia below the text “Homage to Catatonia”


Added:  homage to catatonia A reflection on the history of Catalonia and aspects of current events, translated from the French


Ajouté: au sujet de la Catalogne



france: the CGT – sheepdogs in wolves’ clothing On Macron’s new reform of the “work code”,  the CGT union’s pseudo-opposition and its history, and the complicity of lots of “anti-authoritarians” in their support for the CGT.

frankenstein’s monster Brief, and rather general, outline of a critique of science and its ideology of objectivism

…the return of…aaaaghfhebengate & the libconartists My response to the recent revival of Aufhebengate on libcom

an attempt at dialogue with a marxist An exchange of emails with S.Artesian, who broke with libcom in the summer, covering libcom, Marx, Bakunin, Michael Schmidt, Abraham Lincoln, the Russian Revolution and other stuff.


Added: Homage to Catatonia (temporarily withdrawn, awaiting update)


Ajouté: action de solidarité avec les gens accusé de bruler un  keufmobile



chile: the Allende years

the class struggle in south africa 1976 – 80

riots, strikes, sabotage and sit ins in Karachi (2011)

riots in china (2011)

poetry in motion (2009 – 2010) Contributions to the supersession of poetry (a reproduction of part of a discussion on libcom that I had between November  2009 and February 2010)


Nouvelle agression “racialiste” à Marseille


Added: chomsky – collaborator with the US state


Added – a comment on “suicide or revolution”


Added: mental illness & solitary confinement in Texas prisons


Comment about suicide added to “Suicide or Revolution”


Erratum concerning trial of anarchists in France


New brief text about a trial on June 23rd of anarchists  arrested for solidarity actions in support of prison uprising in 2008


May 2017 for the News of Oppositon is now up


Critique of information on this site, followed by my response


New text by TPTG – “asylum seekers in greece and germany” (my title)

This is taken from pages 24 – 37 of TPTG’s “The Social Crisis in Greece” 

I have only published this part of the text as it’s the part that’s most interesting and original. The rest (although available on my site as a pdf) is mostly stodgy stuff excessively saturated with statistics and seems to add nothing new to what TPTG and others have said elsewhere (other than the precise detailed minutae of how screwed the Greek proletariat has become). I have a couple of queries about the text, which I’ve addressed to TPTG, and which will be answered eventually in the comments box below the text.

Quote: “…any analysis which is dominated by a discourse on “anti-immigrant” or “pro-immigrant” state policies is quite misleading and irrelevant – in the same way that it would be misleading and pointless to claim that the state could be either “anti-worker” or “pro-worker”….if it is true that each capitalist state needs and breeds divisive or even racist ideologies (that may also emanate from below) to keep the working class fragmented and trapped within national, racial or gender categories, it is equally true that it cannot allow civil wars among the separated parts of the working class. That is why it uses unifying, integrationist and anti-racist practices to further the accumulation process….while the vast majority of the left and anti-authoritarian analyses regarding the state management of immigration focuses on physical or geographical exclusion… we are more inclined to look into the differentiated capitalist strategies adopted for the inclusion, control, regulation and exploitation of those migratory populations who are superfluous in the countries of origin to suit the needs of capital accumulation in the countries of their destination.”


Recommended: The privatization of nature and the enclosure of life by  Colectivo ETCÉTERA. This is an outline of some of the relatively recent developments in science; it doesn’t go into any detail, but is useful as an introduction to further research and critique of modern science.      “Once again we see ideologues who call for the implementation of a policy of eugenics—similar to the one practiced by the Nazis, and not just the Nazis, for eugenics was also popular in the U.S., and even one of its presidents, Theodore Roosevelt, openly supported it—whose spokespersons loudly proclaim a future in which there will be only two clearly differentiated classes: the “genetically well-endowed”—about 10% of the world’s population, which will hold power—and the natives whose vocation is to “obey without complaining”. Other, more pragmatic biotechnologists speak of beings with “good genes” and others with “bad genes” and it is obvious that they are trying to manufacture a being that is fully equipped with “good genes”: submissive, hard-working, disciplined.”


Recommended: Political repression beyond the baton – on the interaction between hard and soft repression during the Occupy Oakland movement of 2011, including the element of self-sabotage played within the occupation movement itself.


Added: a discussion on the riots in France in the comments section at the bottom  of the “France” page.


Recommended: brief leaflet from Indonesia calling for “Death to Duterte” “Many drug users are terrified for their safety and are attempting to escape the slaughter by voluntarily reporting themselves to State authorities in an attempt to preempt visits from the death squads. Subsequently, thousands of people been detained in overcrowded disease infested disused Filipino military camps deemed “rehabilitation centers”. There are no release dates for people detained in these barbaric “rehabilitation” centers which function as ad-hoc prisons, complete with screws who subject drug users to torturous “character building” practices” to “atone for their sins” and activities designed to instill (by force) nationalist pride as a “rehabilitation” strategy.”


A correction to the previous incorrect link to this: on sexual abuse in the ANC camps (1993) and this addition: INSIDE QUADRO, an article about mutiny in the “people´s army” of the ANC/CP and the torture-camps where dissidents were mutilated (some to death) with the latests methods learned from their sponsors (at that time) the USSR (United Stalinists for the Suppression of Revolution). It´s importance, among other things, lies in the link it makes between the formalised state (in-waiting)-terrorism of the ANC´s insecurity apparatus (convincingly described as an extension of the KGB in Africa) outside the borders of the country, and the informalised para-state terrorism inside South Africa during what is presented by the spectacle as a miraculously peaceful transition — the 18,000 killed in massacres and political violence during this period have literally been wiped out of the history books (the ones I remember reading at school in the New South Africa, in any case). [note by SK] Both have been added to the South Africa page. But they can also be accessed through the links above.


Added: Some writings by Jack Common These were almost all written in the 1930s and, as far as I can see, are the best of proletarian writing of this period, looking at such things as the cinema, the streets and the birth of consumerism and advertising, written in an unusual mix of theory and direct everyday working class language which far outshines, for instance, the heavy-handed writings of the Frankfurt School, on the one hand, or the somewhat contrived “working class”-stylised  writings of the UK’s Class War, on the other.

The texts, followed by brief excerpts, are as follows:

The freedom of the street (1938)

There are men in the street and of it. In fact you can usually deduce your fellow-Briton’s class status from the way he regards the street. To some it is merely a. communication between one spot or another, a channel or runway to guide your feet or your wheels when you are going places. To others it’s where you live. The average working-class house is a small and inconvenient place. Nobody wants to put up with the noise of children in it more than they have to – out they go, then, into the street. Similarly, a man can’t do any casual entertaining there, not so as to suit him. If his pals call, they all go out together – down the street, that is, to the boozer. Even the women find it a pleasanter change if they want company to go and stand on the doorstep. Add these up and you get a most characteristic working-class scene: crowds of kids flying here and there across the road; boys and youths by the shop windows and the corner-ends; men strolling the pavements or sitting shirt-sleeved by the doors; and the women in their aprons taking a breather in a bit of gossip with “next-door.”

Leave the Bairns A-Be (October, 1935)

Education seeks merely to multiply the numbers of the uselessly conscious. More scholarships and more years at school are the slogans of self-seeking benevolence. The brutality of it is appalling. By god, they’ll pile you up with learning till you’re like a clerical fish-porter; and they’ll tell you all the time that what you’ve got is not only values but prices, too, profits if you’re lucky. It’s so clumsy and wanting in any sense of what’s holy. Look now, anybody can see by glancing at our public schools, that if you extend education beyond the age of puberty you are likely to produce narcissists.”

You Can Keep Your Christmas Pudding (December , 1934)

0, the apathy of the working-classes! 0, the non­-militancy of the bastards! They’ve been pauperised and beaten down and robbed and tricked, betrayed and dopedand do they upsurge? Do they curdle in a revolutionary mass about the rods of their oppressors? Do they storm heaven? October after October (or November after November, new time) goes, and not a surge. All around us capitalism is crumbling and collapsing and getting fantastically unstabl­e but still the final shove of proletarian revolution ­is lacking. The masses continue to play in and out the window at the Labour Exchange and the Time Office, standing themselves a drink when the Time Office is open to them, and being content with a spit when on the Buroo. 0 hopeless mass! 0 unhistoric apaths!

Fake Left (March , 1933)

We must blame leaders and their followers both. The real answer must be looked for in the nature of Socialist parties. The system we live by is Capitalism. We cannot put ourselves artificially in vacuo because we are Socialists and wish to change the world. We continue to live in it. And it continues to make use of us. It continues to make use of our organisations. The only begetter of Socialism is Capitalism, and the child ways tends to take after its parent. What was to have been an instrument for building the new era becomes a prop for the old.”

Hegel and the Blue Bottle (April, 1934)

Our clinging to ill-defined freedoms is always tying us up to tyranny. Actually now we are not free to buy any object unless we agree to buy the same thing as several millions of our fellows are buying. It is the price of mass-production that you become a mass-consumer. Now look how pathetic the business of buying has become. All the hesitation, and marshalling of one’s odds and ends of taste, and anxious searching for bargainsthe ghost of free standardisation only because we don’t accept its necessity. We believe we are different from everybody else. We are, but only boredom of this age proceeds from the fact that people are always agitating like hell to be different from the fellow next door, and out of their ignorance always achieving a sickening sameness. We climb pain­stakingly from Woolworth’s to Harrod’s, from the fifty-shilling suit to the five guinea – and this process is called individualism, the freedom to be different from our fellows.”

lntrospective Capitalism (September, 1932)

Many people have discussed the resemblance between the Roman Empire and our own civilisation. The important thing, however, is that the resemblance stops at one point. For us there is nothing outside. We live in a world-civilisation which really embraces the whole world, and has therefore its special problems which could never arise in the past. It is neither a world­empire, a world-republic, nor a world-church. As a civilisation it is universal, and as nothing else. It imposes the same manners, the same dress, and the same tools upon each of the clumsily contrived economic nuclei composing it. Beyond its bounds no race of men exist, and whoever wishes to live outside of it cannot, for it is inside of him. In a few centuries its energies have swept the globe; it has built and mined and blasted its way to dominion, unleashing with miraculous divination powers known to no previous culture. Its advances in the discovery of power are so rapid that it is only with difficulty we can survey them. Yet there results from these conquests no golden age. The silly progress-anthems which the nineteenth century piped are the only attempt at that sort of thing, and their fatuity is patent.”

A Heckle at Hoardings (April 24th, 1935)

the special articles now and much of the news is advertising disguised. The Woman’s Page, the Healthy Child, Gardening Hints, are almost always pure puffery. So is any article mentioning meat, milk, or Ramsay MacDonald. In fact to be plain with you, in a little while now the discerning newspaper reader will simply tear off the football results and leave the rest to the winds. Then when Arsenal has succeeded in buying up everybody else’s players, we’ll all take to knitting. The Press of this country will be confined to the fish and chip saloons, and our type-soaked eyes will get a welcome rinse.”

Fire with No Smoke (July , 1941)

Words which are never spoken have only a spectral existence. It is poetry which keeps a tongue alive because poetry demands that someone speak it. As long as there is plenty of spoken poetry about, people can write well even if they haven’t a fag to bless themselves with. Their ears are all right, so they soon know that if you put words in a mentally constructed order, you’ve said nothing until they make their chiming. If they are toneless, standing only in the rank of logic, no one will want to speak them. It is melancholy to be covering paper with the hieroglyphics of a dead language. Better to make a firm rule, a real tobaccoless self-denial, and resolve to say all you’ve got to say in words, in pubs and in gardens. Not in lecture-halls, mind you, lest you perpetrate the worst crime of all by actually speaking a dead language in a place where you are pretty safe from interruption. Speak to people who can answer back, and don’t listen to anybody longer than they’ll listen to you.”

Marx and the Vultures (April 11th, 1934)

economic individualism, protestantism, liberalism, and its pseudo-democracy. These “isms” one can discuss as though they were merely a part of the land­scape, environmental, and capable of external adjustment. Most of us have experienced those barren discussions and know how they end in the questioning impulse being temporarily pacified by a plan – a plan which seeks to change anything but us, and which would result therefore in an augmentation of existing life, an extra gable on the old villa in the same execrable style as the one we’ve got, more dividends, more wages or more gadgets. In short, more boredom, a bigger helping of existing belly-ache. That is the result of pretending that a social synthesis lives only in its external structure. But essentially, of course, its life is inside of us. Its life, and its death. This death looks stony-eyed from the faces you meet in the streets, from the masks you see performing on the films; the stench of it comes sickeningly from every newspaper and magazine (including this one); its rattle shakes in the throat of every jazz band. You cannot escape it. The ordinary man seeks it blatantly, allowing his desire for power to dwindle into a haphazard piling together of inessential possessions or into a mechanical interest in sport, betting, and sweepstakes; letting his sensuality feast timorously on the ghostly blooms of Hollywood faces, his competitive impulse fall wearily into the form of being as like as possible to his best-off neighbour down to the very dog and lawn-mower.

Money Talks Nonsense Now (December 12th 1934)

Hearing all the discussion which constantly goes on about what’s wrong with the world and how to put it right, you would naturally get the idea that this is a problem for specialists, and its answer will be found in one of the sciences (so-called), preferably economics. Either wise-planning will do the trick, or nationali­sation of banking. Though these devices inspire any amount of argument, sheets and sheets of it, there’s is not in the whole howling cacophony any encouragement to the non-specialists to do anything more than stand around and wait. “

Pease-pudding Men (July, 1935)

Essentially, the freedom, the equal opportunity which the liberals achieved was a freedom to buy and sell. You took what talent God gave you and sold that; then you practised the virtue of Thrift, got a little Capital, so you could buy – what? Labour, ultimately. The bourgeois delusion was that any man can buy and sell, and if all bought and sold, things would go like wildfire. Any man can buy and sell after a fashion, yet in a world that’s doing that and nothing but, the poorest salesmen get bought and sold themselves. Which is what happened to the workers. Individualism worked for everyone but them. If they individualised they were lost. They be­came commodities themselves. And with scarcely any shame the democrats calmly went about buying and selling this human commodity as though it were cattle or cotton and not the very stuff of their own faith.”

Reel One (May , 1936)

One day it dawns on many almost at once that that kind of life, the one forged in their struggle and sweetened by it, is the basis for a better fulfilment. It is then they find what they were struggling against, the very facts they fought, chime very nicely with the life they made in order to live at all in the conflict. In our own lives it is obvious. The part that matters in most cases, is not your job, your place as citizen of a community, as sub­scriber to a newspaper, as rank and filer in a political party, no. Whatever your class, whatever your job, it’s nearly always safe to bet that the highest point of vital interest in your life is not the same point at which you impact on the community and find yourself in the records. The community behaves towards you like a passport photographer: it forms a low estimate of you and puts that estimate on record. As there is no other record to go by, everybody thinks that is you, and you will yourself if you are not careful. Thus are we all libelled, comrades. And thus we are each of us compelled to create a surreptitious and socially un­recognised life along with the registered one. An immense amount of potential social effort is frittered away in dreams and half-realised hobbies, in half thought-out creeds and criticisms. But you don’t know of that except privately. You know that you yourself are struggling with something, more or less without help, but you feel that beyond the tiny swirl of your effort there is everywhere a glassy, blank and anonymous lake of humanity”

Thinking in Prose (November, 1930)

It is good to think, and then to write; for the discipline of words dispels many vacuous thoughts and straightens the backs of others. But it is harmful to be able to think only with a pen in one’s hand, to find that one’s opinions do not crystallise until they are written down, and that the necessities of a final paragraph flog the thought into producing a conclusion. Between thought and the written expression of it goes on a continual conflict. The need of language is to be flowing, progressive, and above all communicative, and to these ends it has habitual and invariable forms; the need of thought is only to get somewhere, to a solution or a conclusion, to enable a mind floundering in perplexity to arrive safely at some belief. Stages and order do not matter: it will plunge back forty years without apology to find a parallel instance, start off on quite a different track without transition, or leap a hurdle by an act of intuition and leave no record of the way it came. If the two processes thus in conflict are mutually corrective the result is good. But if one thinks only as one is writing, thought while still in the malleable stage tends to take the shape of those forms and devices necessary to language. We get opinions paradoxical and antitheti­cal, beliefs which are overflows of different sentimental reactions easily concreting in a colourful phrase, but in strict logic cancelling out. It is very good fun if the writer is highly-skilled, but very far from being the real thing.”

A Turn at the Trance (April, 1941)

The factory-worker… starts as a boy usually, and he comes at once into a focus of regard which sees in him nothing more than another human taxi or clock-puncher….Now for years the boy will run to the clock-routine. His imagination will dwindle and dwindle, unfed in the tiring hours, the monotonous work, the oath-bound talk, until the number of things he thinks he cannot be will become far too long for him to remember. In all that time, not one bit of the factory comes under his control; he never has to think where the products are going, or to join with his mates in schemes for the improvement of the premises; he never makes a respon­sible decision. That is why the process is trance-like and unreal, a round like that of the thresher’s horse. It disenfranchises a man completely. He is not responsible.”

Christmas Carol (December, 1934)

“The proverb which warns us that one-half of society doesn’t know how the other half lives is quite accurate. It is only one half that doesn’t know; the sub­merged half knows too well, to a boring extent in fact. The working-man, and missus, finds his newspaper crammed full with financial news for investors, how to bring up babies when you’ve got a nurse, the way to dress an anchovy with charm or how to prevent one’s lobster clashing with the art-furniture. Most of the un­employed know perfectly well how to carry on if you’re a big business man; they know his life from the peak of noon when he answers half-a-dozen telephones to the hour he takes his mistress back to her flat. What business man, though, could be trusted to attend an impromptu proletarian ding-dong some drunken Saturday night and know infallibly how to behave?”

A Dictionary For Underdogs (Unpublished mimeo)

Why Work? (October 27th, 1930)

Honours in Spades (September , 1934)

Brief Excerpts From Various Publications:

– “Military necessity of pacifism”, The Adelphi, 1936

– “A Matter of Meridians”, The Eleventh Hour, May 8th, 1935

– “More Stern Stuff”, The Adelphi, August, 1934.

– “The Eno’s of the People”, New Britain, July 4th, 1934.


Added: U.SS.A. A chronology of events in the USA taken from the News of Opposition page, followed by various links to relevant articles.


Added: notes on the riots for all those who want to change the world (2005)  This refers to the 10 or so days of riots in the banlieux of France in November 2005, written shortly after the events.


Added: “something from nothing”a critique of cynicism by Isaac Cronin (1975)

om sweet om (1989) – Red Marriott, traduit  en francais par Andre Drean


Recommended: “…how Aufheben learned to stop worrying and love the EU


A comment on the US elections sent by email 


For those trying to get their heads around the madness of the US election, these 2 pieces indicate many of the falsehoods being thrown out about Trump’s base, though since I live  far away from the US, it’s hard to make my mind up about these contradictions. This is from “The Wolf Report”, critiquing an editorial in Insurgent Notes; and this is an older, less obviously radical, criticism published in mid-October in The Guardian.


Added: a comment by me on an insane attempt to destroy discussion of the text, translated on this site as “So far – so good”, in Marseille on 28th October. 


Interesting comments on nuances in relation to France’s banlieux attacks on cops by Pi:

“[We should] be more careful about the news on French attacks in estates, suburbs, poor neighborhoods, etc. Some comrades who manage other sites choose to put them all, but I think it contributes to giving priority to form over content.
These attacks are generally of two types : those linked to local anger against cops, and those linked to drug-dealing. Of course, those who deal drugs in the estates can as well feel anger against cops, which is of course justified.
I don’t even want to engage in endless researchs about each attack. Drugdealing in french estates is pretty antisocial and often prevails over fair relationships between people, but it’s not even the case in every place. And the presence of “gangs” is often an argument used by the cops to justify their actions…clearly, very organized gangs such as those in the US don’t exist in France. The estates’ population is in general pretty mixed, and lots of elements of foreign culture and traditions’ remain. Even those who deal drugs are usually just groups with loose ties between “members”…they don’t have particular rules, identity, etc and even their territory claim is pretty light.

What happens for a few weeks in “La Grande Borne” (a big estate in Grigny and its neighbour town), with the recent molotov cocktail attacks against cops, seems to be linked to groups protecting their trade from police. Some elements indicate it…and so far I haven’t found anything indicating that the attacks were made out of pure rebellion. Which is enough I think to be careful, and certainly not to engage in such glorifying as calling all this “Insurrectionary France” (https://fireonthehorizon.noblogs.org/post/2016/10/15/meanwhile-in-insurrectionary-france-four-cops-get-burnt-in-molotov-attack/).

To give another example…a prostitute was arrested in Lyon, a group of guys intervened and clashed with cops :
Given the pretty machist culture in french estates, I doubt this group did such a thing as engaging in a battle out of pure solidarity with unfairness, even less with a prostitute ! Never heard of estate guys engaging in “pimping” either…so I really don’t have a clue what happened there. But it’s also enough to be careful about it.

What happened in La Seyne sur Mer on 17-10 was linked to a drug raid.

So basically I’d give priority to news in which elements indicate that actions have to do with a feeling of rebellion with possibilities of anti-autoritarian developments (to put it very simply)…”

Added to the text on recent struggles in China

Critical notes on ethnicity in China

Beyond the interesting information it provides on strikes in rural areas, this article about the district of Yangshuo, Guangxi, should, however, be subject to some clarifications. Because it implicitly accepts, in passing, the widely believed, hardly ever criticised, myth arising from the foundation of the Republican state in China, dating back to the 1911 revolution, attributed to Sun Yixian (Sun Yat-sen in Cantonese), and adopted by Mao Zedong. A myth that the basis of “Chinese civilization” has, for thousands of years, been driven by the Han, “the ultra-majority ethnic group,” surrounded by multitudes of “ethnic minorities”, to which the current state, in the “best case scenario”, confers local cultural and administrative autonomy. However, Jean-François Billeter, one of the few critical Sinologists today, like Simon Leys was in the past, said: “In the historical sources, which were almost all written by Confucian literati, ie by empire officials, the Chinese people appear not in their true diversity, but as a population subject to the emperor. This state was enough to define it. Revolutionaries, at the dawn of the twentieth century have transformed this administrative definition into an ethnic or racial definition. They needed a Han people as the foundation of their nationalism. The socialist system completed this idea by extending it to the national minorities. Ethnology could be of some service in the study of these “ethnic groups” because they were non-Han and “backward” but there was no question that it be used for studying the Han, a “revolutionary” people whose unity should never be the object of suspicion. That’s why researchers who nowadays go to the countryside sometimes feel like they’re discovering unknown continents.”– Jean-François Billeter, « Chine trois fois muette » (“China three times dumb”), Edition Allia, 2000. I recall that on Chinese identity cards, it indicated which “ethnic group” Chinese citizens are supposed to belong to. But there is no more an ethnic Chinese Han group than there is a Capetian ethnicity in France, a Tudor ethnicity in England, etc. The Han were there for over two thousand years, having succeeded the short-lived imperial dynasty, the Qin. The fame of the Han is because they consolidated and extended the centralizing statist process put in place by the Qin, in particular by crushing the great feudal families and not hesitating to place commoners throughout all the levels of the massive “celestial bureaucracy” being established. They even went on to nationalise the ground!

To return to Guangxi, I travelled there over twenty years ago, at the time when tourism was still limited. The reality of the local “unknown continent” was far removed from its official representation. The province, with 50 million inhabitants, has the status of an autonomous region – even its official name is the Autonomous Region of Guangxi Zhang. For although the Han officially constitute the “majority” (30 million), the Zhang constitute up to 15 million, the “majority” of the “minorities” in the province – the Yao, Dong, etc. Having moved around the region, I was, within the terms of specific local conditions, faced with customs, rituals, religions, more precisely with various pragmatic and more or less syncretic mixtures that did not match up with official classifications. I even met, not far from Yangshuo, a retired teacher who, to my question about his “ethnic” origin, had replied, like Woody Allen, “I am zhang when it suits me!” As with those Chinese who are more critical than the average, he did not believe in the founding myths of the national state, the creator of “market socialism “.

Lao She, October 2016



Added: Recent struggles in China (October 2016) Comprises a translation of 2 short texts – one on the recent revolts in Guandong, the other about resistance to nuclear power, followed by a list of some of this year’s events. 


Added to the entry on News of Opposition for 13/9/16 about Wukan and the resistance to the brutal repression there, a short text called “Wukan: strength and weaknesses of the opposition to the expropriations in rural China” (scroll down to 13/9/16).


Received this about a translation into German of part of the France page:

“…we’ve finally managed to publish a brochure with translated texts from the recent French movement around the loi travail:


We included your intro to the “France – a reader” site as a general assessment of the movement:



A comment in the comment box under August 2016: 

Once more about the Haredi:
I spoke yesterday to a guy I know from Lebanon, who’s been to Palestine, and he tended to confirm that this group is a lot more interesting than the anarchist guy had made out (though the anarchist did admit he ‘s not “a big connaiseur of jewish theology and branches”).
For one, they oppose all forms of colonisation of the occupied areas and in a fairly practical way, though for me this is somewhat strange given I’m not religious – they go out at night and do what they can to destroy the cemetries and graves of the colons. Also those amongst them who are lawyers defend Palestinians for things like throwing molotov cocktails at the military, which has now been defined there as a terrorist act. And one of the leaders is a Nietzschean, somewhat unorthodox for an Orthodox Jew. Nevertheless, some of them have been involved in horrendous homophobic acts like knifing people at the Gay Pride parade in Tel Aviv.


Added: a chronology of resistance  in the USA going back to August 2014 – USA


Comments on the riots of Haredi Jews in Israel:

On 21/8/16 we posted this up on the News of Opposition page for August 2016:

Israel/Palestine, Jerusalem: orthodox anti-Zionist Jews riot against the Israeli state (video)

Several dozen ultra-Orthodox protesters clashed with police Sunday as they demonstrated outside the Jerusalem army recruitment office against the arrest of a yeshiva student who failed to show up for his enlistment…Later on Sunday evening, Haredi protesters in Jerusalem blocked off the Mea Shearim neighborhood, while demonstrators in Beit Shemesh pushed dumpsters into the street, blocking traffic, and hurled stones at police officers. Last Thursday, hundreds of demonstrators in Jerusalem and Beit Shemesh torched dumpsters and threw rocks at police officers in protest against the same arrest. Seven were detained in the capital and one in Beit Shemesh. Many in the ultra-Orthodox (“Haredi”) community shun the mandatory national service that applies to most Israelis, and the community has historically enjoyed blanket exemptions from the army, in favor of religious seminary studies. 

Police have sporadically detained ultra-Orthodox draft-dodgers in the past year. In July, five Haredi demonstrators protesting the IDF draft outside a Jaffa courthouse were arrested. At the end of the mostly peaceful protest, some of the demonstrators attacked policemen, overturned garbage cans, blocked traffic, hurled eggs and stones at cops, and flipped over two motorcycles, damaging them, police said at the time. There were no reports of injuries. Reforms passed in the Knesset in 2014 that sought to do away with the exemptions and gradually increase ultra-Orthodox recruitment met fierce opposition from many in the community.

SK wrote:

“The Ben Torah, as they call themselves, are a very interesting phenomenon in the region. To clarify the terminology: Haredi Judaism, Hasidic Judaism, and Orthodox Judaism are all names for different religious movements within the Jewish faith. The three can be looked at as a family, with Haredi Judaism existing as a subset of Orthodox Judaism, and Hasidic Judaism existing as a further subset of the subset. Hasidim, the mystic branch of the religion, share similarities with Sufism in Islam: an emphasis on mysticism as a communistic social-relation (e.g. the dreadlocked Baye Faal Sufi order of Senegambia) rather than an individualistic head-trip, a certain anti-authoritarianism, and a certain literary quality (tales of the Sufis and of the Hasidim are both often humorous and supra-logical).

Besides resisting conscription and denouncing the existence of the State of Israel as idolatrous (which it is, like EVERY other state), the Haredim also have the highest unemployment and birth rates of Israeli citizens, and their constituency plays a swing-vote role between the two major political parties in the electoral system. Other practical opposition to the state manifests in their refusal to send their children into the secular compulsory miseducation system, and the refusal of their own schools to impose standardised testing on their children. It is hardly surprising therefore that “A study in late 2006 claimed that just over a third of Israelis considered Haredim the most hated group in Israel.”

Their estimated global population currently numbers 1.3–1.5 million and, due to a virtual absence of interfaith marriage and a high birth rate, their numbers are growing rapidly. Their numbers have also been boosted by a substantial number of secular Jews adopting a Haredi lifestyle. The chief political division among Haredim has been in their approach to the State of Israel. As with most radical movements, one branch is made of sell-outs who collaborate with the state blubbering about moderation and pragmatism in excuse for spinelessness, and the other is made of those who refuse to prostitute themselves out as hypocrites for the sake of an ease and comfort suitable to courtesans rather than free men and women.

As of 2012 it was estimated that 37% of Haredi men and 49% of Haredi women were employed. The most recent figures from the Central Bureau of Statistics on employment rates place Haredi women at 69.3% comparable to 71% for the women’s national figure, whilst working Haredi men have increased to 44.5% but still fall far below the 81.5% for the national picture.

It is estimated that half as many of the Haredi community are in employment as the rest of population. This has led to increasing financial deprivation and 50% of children within the community live below the poverty line.

There are, of course, plenty of less than exemplary, not to mention plain reactionary tendencies at work among every existing social sub-category of the human species. Maybe most glaringly among the Haredim and many other religious traditions, the patriarchal sexual morality at play here seems more than a little outdated. Far from a move that liberates women from the bonds of domestic slavery to leap into the mystically superior shackles of wage-slavery (as in the Gospel of mainstream feminists), the dramatic decrease in the percentage of unemployed women relative to that of men more likely means that young women are increasingly being sent off as breadwinners (maternal duties devolving onto grandmothers, as is often the case among the poor in South Africa) while males remain at leisure to commune with THE LORD.

Other than their solidarity, bravery, consistency, voluntary poverty & spiritually employed economic unemployment, what is possibly most outstanding about these admirable people is the fact that they are able to marshal enough buying-power to dictate business policies, despite their poverty (more than 50 percent live below the poverty line and get state allowances) and their statistical minority (7% of the population). For this reason, some companies and organizations in Israel refrain from including women or other images deemed immodest in their advertisements to avoid Haredi consumer boycotts (very widely used — and often effective — tactic in the South African struggles of the 1980s). Through the organisation of volunteer medical associations they make a major contribution to the healthcare services of the state — and so benefit themselves, considering the poorest rely most on state facilities.”

A Jewish woman I know objected to this verbally over the phone and I got in contact with a Jewish guy (who wrote this about the riots of Ethiopian Jews last year), who said: 

“I have to say i’m not a big connaiseur of jewish theology and branches,
yet i have to say that presenting the hasidic movement as a subversive
movement is a mistake. They are ultra-orthodox and intolerant like the
others. Their only real difference is that for them religious practices
have to be done as a party (dancing, chanting, etc.), but that doesn’t
make them more friendly at all !

About the Haredim in general, they are not ALL against the state of
israel, it’s more complicated and diversified than that. Also, the reason
why some of them are against the state of israel is not a good reason from
an anti autoritarian point of view. They are against the state of israel
because it was created by man and should be created by god with the
arrival of the messiah, wich stays unclear in SK’s note.

The whole note seems like an apology of the haredim, this is very weird
and problematic.

Also, most of the haredi are forbiden to work, because they have to study
and focus themselves on Talmud everyday. That’s why, most of the time,
only women works (several jobs at a time… treated like slaves while
giving birth almost every year…). The statistics in the note may be
true, but they should be verified.

But the most important thing, is that unemployment in the Haredi community
is volontary, its not for economic reasons, like the note would leave us
guessing. Also they receive a shitload of money from orthodox around the
world and evangelists from america.

Most of the bullshit said in the last paragraph of the note about the
haredi could be applied to an anti-capitalist support of Daesh!!”

SK replied:

“My sympathies are with the militant atheism of your/our comrade. There is every reason to oppose religious sects especially in countries like Israel, Iran and the Spain of the 1930s, etc, where clerical authority also involves real political authority. However I try not to react against these things in a way that just becomes an equal and opposite dogma….

If my comments seem to present the hasidic movement as subversive that would indeed be a mistake. All I wanted to do was to contextualise those particular riots as a specific, contradictory an by no means totally subversive MOMENT, alongside all other such equally contradictory moments we document on this site.

It seemed particularly important to do so as the assumption might
otherwise be (I myself thought this before looking into it) that these
were people who supported the state of Israel (and by extension its
army) but just wanted to get out conscription for some reason. If such were the case, I don’t think such opposition would belong on this site at all.  

There was also a fair bit of irony in my comments which could easily be mistaken for unqualified praise. My note does not leave anyone guessing about the reasons for unemployment — it specifically lists their ‘voluntary unemployment’ as one of their admirable qualities. Obviously, for those of us who believe in ‘the right to be lazy’ and the abolition of work, it is ironic that some of those who practice it should do so from perspectives so different to our own in many ways. But fundamentalism of all sorts, including the atheistic variety, unfortunately anaesthetises people to the subtleties, ironies, and humor of such ‘ruses of history’. Probably the Haredim themselves would be scandalised to be associated with the louts, layabouts, and other lumpen elements praised by anarchists for their indolent contempt of alienated labour.  

Then again anarchists themselves are often far too rigidly schematic to appreciate how often more congenial versions of apparently religious unemployment can be to their own perspectives. The beauty expressed by Rumi, a Sufi Muslim (as I pointed out there are certain similarities between the some Sufis and some Hasidim) in the following poem is wasted on them, simply because it’s made from the (clearly tongue in cheek) viewpoint of religious mysticism:

As for us, He has appointed the job of permanent unemployment.

If He wanted us to work, after all,
He would not have created this wine.

With a skinfull of this, Sir,
would you rush out to commit economics?

Now, I myself am as ‘Muslim’ as our comrade is ‘Jewish’, yet I don’t
feel the need to express haughty and automatic contempt for all those
who take Allah seriously just because they may not be very tolerant or friendly towards me and my ideas. Maybe that’s one reason why many anarchists aren’t particularly friendly towards me and my ideas either, for that matter. As a matter of fact, militant activists in general have hardly got a sterling record when it comes to tolerance, even (especially!) for each other.

Again, my note specifically pointed out the inevitably problematic aspects of sexual division of labour among those who subscribe to a patriarchal ideology. Yes, the Haredim men’s contemplation of God is supported by female drudgery, just as the radical academic’s contemplation of her own navel is supported by the intellectual and manual drudgery of her inferiors. The point is not to condemn the idle from our moral high-horses, but abolish a world based on hierarchy and useless drudgery altogether. Unfortunately, the latter being so daunting a task, too many comrades prefer the former pastime, which is as easy as farting downwind.


The Jewish woman I mentioned at the beginning eventually wrote the following: ” there is nothing subversive about trying to force all men to spend their time studying God – I exclude women because they don’t have to bother their little heads with such weighty philosophical debate.  Their place is in the maternity hospital and making chicken soup in any spare moment.”

I [SF] finally wrote:

“Whilst the actions of the Haredi come over as a subversive moment (I myself sent the original link, if I remember correctly), it’s not like most of the subversive moments we talk about on the site. As I said in the original “News of Opposition” preamble: ” What I automatically exclude here, given the attempt to focus on ”independent opposition”, are clashes in which either ethnic or religious or sport team or political faction fights seem to dominate.” And there’s a vast difference between a riot by an organisation of Orthodox Jews that has been going for over 150 years (and was originally set up to oppose any tendency towards secularism) which has a very rigid and entrenched hierarchy and riots involving people from very diverse tendencies, who could go beyond their very specific identities and experiences of alienation. So it’s not like ” all other such equally contradictory moments we document on this site. “

As for the ” fair bit of irony in my comments which could easily be mistaken for unqualified praise. ” – well, the irony passed me by as it did at least 2 other people I know, so it really was mistaken for unqualified praise. And the support for unemployment on the part of the men is a bit like support for unemployment amongst any aristocracy or royalty, since it depends on the intensification of exploitation of those lower in the hierarchy. I’m sure, like me, you’ve known people whose assertion of the “right to be lazy” meant refusing to do the housework and leaving it to others (usually women). I don’t see “tolerance” for this kind of use of religion is at all haughty or expressing some automatic contempt. Criticising such attitudes, or ignoring them, is hardly some “fundamentalism of …the atheistic variety”. It’s fundamental, but hardly an ism.

You say, “the Haredim men’s contemplation of God is supported by female drudgery, just as the radical academic’s contemplation of her own navel is supported by the intellectual and manual drudgery of her inferiors. The point is not to condemn the idle from our moral high-horses, but abolish a world based on hierarchy and useless drudgery altogether. Unfortunately, the latter being so daunting a task, too many comrades prefer the former pastime, which is as easy as farting downwind. “

I would most definitely “condemn” such academics, and it’s certainly not from a moral high-horse, but from a need to critique social relations, although that also presupposes some kind of “moral” attitude that’s not at all like the hypocritical self-contradictory dominant “morality”. This is a prerequisite for participating in a movement that tends towards abolishing a “world based on hierarchy and useless drudgery altogether. ” And this task is not so daunting if one sees it not in terms of the final result but first of all as something which can immediately involve a refusal of tolerance towards those people who maintain hierarchical relations in areas of life where they don’t at all have to. (When I say “immediately” I don’t mean literally from one second to the next, but over a period of time between critique and the possibility of change arising from such critique, ie progress over time) . Moreover, it’s not in any way as easy as farting downwind and dismissing it as a”pastime” comes over as a bit like condemning from a moral high-horse.

There’s a bit of defensive intellectual contortionism in your reply. And it’s rather ungenerous towards to the 2 people who felt angry enough to respond to the bit you wrote, to dismiss their attitudes as “fundamentalism”. We who wish to oppose this world certainly need to develop a critique of religion not from some crude atheism but from a recognition that all entrenched ideologies and theologies maintain individuals in their complicity with this society, with their misery, whilst at the same time recognising that religion, as well as dogmas of other varieties, contain elements of subversive desire in an utterly conservative and miserable form: ” the heart of a heartless world…the soul of soulless conditions….Critique has plucked the imaginary flowers on the chain not in order that man shall continue to bear that chain without fantasy or consolation, but so that he shall throw off the chain and pluck the living flower.”

I think in future it might be best when putting up something about things we don’t know very much about that we make clear that any remarks are tentative and coming from a distant relation to the subject, that we are prepared to admit that we might have got things wrong. For the moment I’ll put up the various remarks about this under the entry for the 21/8/16 and on the “What’s New?” page. But I don’t seriously want to continue with this discussion unless you or others provide some new insights or research into this particular religious grouping .”


A comment by SK has been added to the comments box (you have to scroll down to the bottom to get the latest comment) of the prisons page.


Ajouté à quelques calomnies grotesquesce commentaire

Added to the south africa… page: Letter from Iranian Workers, written in 1991 in solidarity with the South African working class, warning them against having illusions in the ANC. Also, some comments on rape and unwanted pregnancies in South Africa (added to the entry for  8/8/16).


Added: a translation of this from the French: “So far so good…?”


Revealed at last! A special gift for the 100s of readers here desperate to know what the password is for all the hidden texts: it’s ambiguous


Ajouté: quelques calomnies grotesques 

2 textes :

1.Une mise au point anti-politique

Une réponse au texte « Une mise au point politique », un texte de la commission féministe de Nuit Debout, par N, la personne qui a été soupçonné d´être mysogine et accusé de sexisme sans faits réels existants : http://nuitdeboutmontpellier.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/sexisme-en-milieu-militant.pdf

2.Un tentative de censure sur IACAM
(liste mail pour des personnes qui s’interessent dans les aspects de la lutte sociale dans la region de Languedoc-Roussillon)


Added: a link to a chapter on the South Africa page Transition From Below Chapter 7, a chapter from the book on steel-worker’s struggles in the 80s/90s. The first chapter demonstrates the way nationalism, socialism and worker’s-control combined to instantly integrate the most militant unions into the new bourgeois order — and the disorder this created when the unions then came into conflict with the rank and file. Some of the statements and attitudes expressed by the shop stewards are truly astonishing. Probably the best one is ‘socialism and capitalism are basically the same’. On that note I’ve also included an excerpt from the previous chapter describing the formation of the strike committee as an autonomous entity within the union, and the emergence of conflict between it and the stewards –  Strike committee at Witbank All of which is of immediate interest as Marikana and the subsequent events are clearly a continuation of the dynamics outlined in these pages. [SK]


Recommendé: pourquoi les nuits debout m’emmerdent 


Recommendé: Briser le verrou syndical pour affronter le capital

Recommended:  Account of May 1, 2016 in Paris: Anarchists defile libertarian procession


Recommended: Paris – Imposing moral order with a sledgehammer: Communiqué from La Discordia A response to the 3rd attack on this anarchist library-cum-meeting place when all the windows were smashed by gang mentality anarcho-sickos who don’t like the critique of religion and of the whole notion of race developed in meetings and texts at this library.

Recommended: A DISSEMBLING ASSEMBLE and the fatuous Turner Prize


Ajouté: les évènements du 14 avril 2016 à Montpellier


Ajouté: Solidarité avec « La Discordia (“Imposer l’ordre moral à coup de marteau – Communiqué de La Discordia, et ajouté le 7 mai 2016 ( écrit par André Dréan ): “Solidarité active avec « La Discordia » !”


“France: a reader” has had its title changed to “France: the latest on the rumbling revolt”, with an additional note on the current movement, plus a personal account of a wild day in Montpellier for the entry of 14/4/16 has been modified to include most recently discovered facts and subjective analysis.


Added in the comments section below “Cop-Out – the significance of Aufhebengate” this translation of a dire  put-down of the whole affair published by Echanges et Mouvement. It’s translated from here:echange et mouvement aufgate 001


Added in the comments section below the text “on German guilt” – a quote from Hannah Arendt’s “Eichmann in Jerusalem” showing Eichmann’s pro-Zionist sympathies and his contacts with Zionist organisations in the run-up to WWII.


A German translation of “anarchist library threatened…by “anarchists”” is now available here: http://magazinredaktion.tk/paris.php


Recommendé: « Nique la France » (première partie) : La révolte de novembre 2005 – Bibliothèque anarchiste La Discordia


2 comments on “On German guilt”one sent on 8/2/16, the other by me in response to this comment.


Added to “South Africa: a reader”, 2 new links to texts about the movement of subversion under apartheid: The story of a South African revolutionary (1992) and Transition from below, Chapter 5  – “It was just chaotic” The apartheid workplace regime, political challenge and ‘ungovernability’ in the workplace. 


Added: Reflections on German guilt 


Added: The Myths of DNA….


Added: Parisian anarchist library threatened…by “anarchists”


Ajouté: des « tags » sur la bibliothèque anarchiste La Discordia


Appropriate rant against “borderless Europe”


A short course in overproduction part 3  and A short course in overproduction part 4  These are just to remind people of the looming crisis of 2016, with no pretnsion to being anything more than that. Limited but informative. “People hate banks and they want to see them suffer,” said Dick Bove, analyst at Rafferty Capital Markets. Yeah, ain’t that the truth?  Me, I’m a humanist.  I don’t want to see them suffer.  I just want to see them dead.Note 29/1/16: this short course is getting longer – see this site for parts 5,6,7…


A short course in overproduction part 2


Some site statistics:

A correct hit counter was installed on this site a year ago on January 14th 2015, registering hits of only those not directly connected to the site. Previously the hit counter was totally inaccurate and registered every time I personally went from page to page or when I just looked at my own site.

The amount of visitors has been: 189,447. Obviously those who visited the site several times are not registered as one visitor, but are registered every time they click onto the site if they have not beforehand clicked onto the site; in other words “visits” are much higher than this – 3,225,816. This figure is totally misleading, as it clearly includes people (the state, maybe) clicking onto several different pages or even just one page several times. For instance, one day I got 55,000 visits, but less than a thousand visitors.

The following were the top 10 most popular pages (I have not included the various “news of opposition” pages here, though many of them proved more popular than some of the following; nor have I included this page). For the reason above, it doesn’t seem worthwhile pointing out the number of visits:

    1. The homepage – an introduction
    2. cop-out – the significance of aufhebengate
    3. ve haf vays of making you  happy
    1. novembre 2015  This, in French, got 13,000 visits over 2 days, but it’s obvious that almost all  of these was from one visitor, probably someone working for the state (a link to it had just been given out on an email list).
    2. dear london forum Since this is from 1997 and is not particularly interesting, I can only assume that people got it confused with another “London Forum”.
    3. minister of sic
    1. kurdish uprising This is possibly because there have been many people who’d assumed it referred to the current situation in the Kurdish areas of Syria/Iraq, though in fact it refers to the uprising following the Gulf War of 1991.
    1. ferguson...
    1. on syriza …by the tptg
  1. mexico: a compilation

Very brief interesting report: A short course in overproduction part 1 – a brief reminder of imminent financial crisis (published 13/1/16)


Recommended: a neat summary of last year from the neatly named “Cautiously Pessimistic” site: A year in the shadow of bullets and ballots: looking back at 2015



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One response to “What’s new?”

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    Cautiously Pessimistic

    Not sure if this is the right place to put this, but just checked on ultra-com again and the author of the Rites of Passage piece has now responded to your questions: http://www.ultra-com.org/project/rites-of-passage/ Just thought I’d point it out because the answer was ten days late, so I thought you might have missed it, and it’s a genuinely interesting and thoughtful dialogue, was good to read.

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